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nowinter
Inscrit le: 14 Déc 2006
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| Déposé le: 14 Déc 2006 0:32 Sujet du message: Les paroles de Saiona d'Vinte Ano |
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Je cherche les paroles d'un mois deja.. Aide moi!!
 I know my French is close to nothing. As well as my Portuguese.. But this song!! I'm just crazy for this song, I've visited like one hundred of lyrics sites with no luck. I MUST SEE THIS SONG'S LYRICS.
Any portuguese-speaker to save my life?? Por favor!!!
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Je ne parles ni francais ni portuguez pas!  |
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Mic Dax
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| Déposé le: 14 Déc 2006 2:45 Sujet du message: |
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Here are the lyrics (written in Cape Verdean creole)...
Saiona d'Vinte One
Ja soma na cabeçada
Pal bem conta o k'el k'ouvi
Ma el ka conta kel palmada
K'es da sê filha Zizi
Hora k'bô conta um conte
Conta-l tintin por tintin
Ka bô crescental um ponto
Pa-s ka levob pa Furtin
Here is my translation:
"Big-Skirt Twenty-Years-Old"
Came very proudly
To tell gossip
But she did not say nothing
About what happened to her daughter Zizi
When you talk about something
You've got to say everything
Without adding nothing
If you don't they'll land you in jail
Did I save your life? |
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Invité
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| Déposé le: 14 Déc 2006 7:24 Sujet du message: |
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Yes, you did! You almost did. Gee, this Caboverdean has gone pretty far from Portuguese in years, hasn't it? Online dictionaries don't know such words  So your translation is of great help. I was dying to know what that "tintin-tintin" phrase meant..
But, it's still unclear what happened to Zizi 
See, all I've got is Romanian (I'm mixed Russian-Romanian) and some Spanish I learnt in school. I'm even able to understand some other Cesaria's songs when I see them written, but this appears not to be the case  so I'd like to ask you for more clarifications, if you don't mind.
And, thank you very much!!! |
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josiane
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| Déposé le: 14 Déc 2006 8:41 Sujet du message: |
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Hello Mic , hello nowinter,
What happened to Zizi ....
In fact it isn't told explicitely in the song , but it is probably a love affair that left traces .
" La grande jupe de vingt ans "
Elle arrive avec sa malice
"la grande jupe de vingt ans"
pour rapporter le ouï-dire ( ragot)
mais ce qu'elle ne dit pas ,
c'est la déconvenue de sa fille Zizi .
Qui rapporte une histoire
doit la raconter par le menu ( en détails )
sans en rajouter
sinon c'est la prison du Fortin .
Amitiés
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josiane
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| Déposé le: 14 Déc 2006 12:35 Sujet du message: |
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En fait , plus je lis la traduction et moins je comprends .
Tu comprends quoi , toi , Mic?
Et vous , les autres ?
Qu'est-il donc arrivé à Zizi ? |
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Invité
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| Déposé le: 14 Déc 2006 20:48 Sujet du message: |
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"En fait , plus je lis la traduction et moins je comprends .
Tu comprends quoi , toi , Mic?
Et vous , les autres ?"
No, I still have not a clue about Zizi's story
Besides, I don't understand why one should be imprisoned for not telling the whole story when he gossips 
AND, the last but not the least: Mic says the meaning of "Ja soma na cabeçada" is "came proudly" as far as I could see, whereas you, josiane, translate it as "arrive avec sa malice", which means something very different, - it's some annoyance and bad behaviour - again, as far as I understand.
So, how'd she came??
And then, josiane, you insert a word which I think isn't there in the original: "déconvenue". It means "disappointment", doesn't it? I don't think you can go this far with "K'es da sê filha Zizi", and Mic seems to be more close.. |
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Martin
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| Déposé le: 14 Déc 2006 22:06 Sujet du message: |
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Je vois avec amusement que l'affaire de la petite Zizi prend des proportions démesurées sur ce forum!
Personnellement, je pense que si le texte reste aussi vague et elliptique, c'est parce qu'il ne s'agit pas d'un article de journal à valeur informative mais bien de texte de chanson, plus poétique. En réalité, peu importe ce qui est réellement arrivé, c'est à chacun d'imaginer sa propre version des faits.
Nowinter, I agree with Josiane when she says "it is probably a love affair that left traces". That is what I have always thought.
As for the sense of the last sentence, I think the 4 last verses are a general conclusion, which does't necessarily apply to the Zizi case.
To me, the moral of the story is:
Prison=trouble, so if you try to eschew, hide (or even lie about) some memories, you'll somehow be in trouble. |
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Mic Dax
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| Déposé le: 15 Déc 2006 14:40 Sujet du message: |
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Bon, j'ai fauté en voulant arrondir les angles, sans entrer dans les détails. Le détail, puisque vous voulez tout savoir, c'est que Zizi a reçu une gifle (palmada).
Pour reprendre la traduction de Josiane, ça serait donc:
"mais elle ne raconte pas
qu'ils ont giflé sa fille Zizi"
Content(e)s?
Sorry for my translation, I would not selling some secrets: the word "palmada" means "the slap". Then here's the last release, less poetic:
"But she did not say nothing
about the slap they gave to her daughter Zizi" |
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josiane
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| Déposé le: 15 Déc 2006 18:04 Sujet du message: |
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| Merci Mic , j'ai juste repris la traduction du livret avec le cd . La gifle n'était pas traduite... |
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Invité
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| Déposé le: 17 Déc 2006 15:34 Sujet du message: Gracia/Thanks/Merci a tout les participants |
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Somehow I stopped receiving this topic's reply notifications, so I'm a bit late with this, sorry.
Thank you all, it's quite clear now. I should notice the "palmada" word 'cause I know what "palma" means So poor Zizi was slapped by her mother for something her mother wouldn't speak of  But it doesn't work this way living on an island: if you speak, you've got to tell everything.
I realized I can understand most of the French at the level spoken here But kreole is still too packed for me to understand.
Moralite: hey-ho!!![/i] |
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Neuza
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| Déposé le: 05 Déc 2009 23:06 Sujet du message: wanna get some help to translate a cabo verdian song! |
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could someone help me translate this song please !!
i dont understand everything !!
Es fazi um rusga na nha coração
Es acha 10 kilo di amor e 4 gramas di paixão
Kel la foi suficienti pa es prendem nha coração
Juiz di amor dam 6 anos di prisão
Mas un acha ma keli tudu tem um explicaçon
Un trafica txeu amor pamodi un ata chinti ami so
Mas un acha ma keli tudu tem um explicaçon
Un trafica txeu amor pamodi un ata chinti ami so
Nunca un pensaba ma um dia es ta fichaba mi
Mas un ka ta arrependi di nada ki ti hoji un fazi
Si un fazi isso foi pam podi ser feliz
Tudu amor kin trafika goci un tenel junto mi
Es prendem ma es ka consigui prendi nha amor
Es prendem ma es ka consigui prendi nha amoooooooooooor
Mas un acha ma keli tudu tem um explicaçon
Un trafica txeu amor pamodi un ata chinti ami so
Mas un acha ma keli tudu tem um explicaçon
Un trafica txeu amor pamodi un ata chinti ami so
Un ta fika 6 anos preso ma e um presa feliz
Um felicidadi assim ti hoji amim ka chinti
Kel la e tudu pamodi um amor ki sta dento mi
Tudu dia un ta pensa nel e un ta fika mas contenti
Un ta fica mas contenti, Un ta fica mas conteeeeeeeeeeeeeeenti
Mas un acha ma keli tudu tem um explicaçon
(Ami e um presa feliiiiiiiiiiiz)
Un trafica txeu amor pamodi ki un ata chinti ami so
Mas un acha ma keli tudu tem um explicaçon
Un trafica txeu amor pamodi ki un ata chinti ami so
Kem ki ta fla verdadi ka mereci castigo
Mas na nha caso ka aconteci keli
Un fla verdadi ma juiz ka acredita na mim
Un fla verdadi ma juiz ka acredita na mim
Unico certeza kin teni junto mi
E ma mim e um presa feliz.
Tudo kel trafico kin fazi
E so pamodi un ata chintia mi so
E goci kel amor kin teni junto mi
E pa nhos, e so pa nhos, so pa nhos, so pa nhos
Mas un acha ma keli tudu tem um explicaçon
Un trafica txeu amor pamodi ki un ata chinti ami so
Mas un acha ma keli tudu tem um explicaçon
Un trafica txeu amor pamodi ki un ata chinti ami so
ohoh...
Ami e um presa fliz
Tudu pamodi amor, amor, amor. Rolling Eyes |
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